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    That's why I've kept my nose out of this, my gbbr doesn't go over any limits on any gas

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    My standard WE M4, with no mods/npas kits or anything else was shooting at 348fps this morning on Neuprol 3 and similar on Brut Sniper. On green it was under 340.

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    i belive my ghk m4 is some where inbetween 400/450 , i will get it on the chrono to find out exaclty how much, im deffo locking it to semi for DMR use anyway as i never use it on full auto, i could also purchase ghk's 1joule nozzle as another option if needed but idd rather not..

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    But then the new law is saying you can't dmr a rifle that was manufactured as a full auto rifle

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    i didnt think that was set in stone yet? , the 1j nozzle costs like £25, so to be on the safe side i could fit it for when the guns in my van and im traveling with it , then swap it back to standard when i arrive on site to play, still lock it to semi auto as per site rules for DMR...

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    That's the problem, swapping bolts out, you'd need to remove the auto sear and spring to be able to have it semi only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumber View Post
    i didnt think that was set in stone yet? , the 1j nozzle costs like £25, so to be on the safe side i could fit it for when the guns in my van and im traveling with it , then swap it back to standard when i arrive on site to play, still lock it to semi auto as per site rules for DMR...
    You won't necessarily be under the limit with a 1J nozzle any. Players in the GHK group on FB have had mixes FPS/Joule readings based on their set ups
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzleflash View Post
    My standard WE M4, with no mods/npas kits or anything else was shooting at 348fps this morning on Neuprol 3 and similar on Brut Sniper. On green it was under 340.
    But what would its fps be using black gas or even hpa, or with 0.12g bbs, one of the main issues is that no one yet knows how they will be testing the rifles..
    The thing that is winding me up if the fact there are yet again no clear rules or guidelines on how they are going to test the rifles. Because let's face it nearly all will shot over 370 fps with 0.12g and green or black gas..
    And like I say, we don't know if us locking the guns to semi by removing and filing parts down will still meet the new laws and guidelines, because new parts can be fitted and then the gun will be full auto again, it's not if your gun is shooting over the full auto and fps limit, it's if your gun is capable of doing so..
    Let's see what the end ofbthe year brings it's not going to be good I feel that much..
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    That's why I relying on the words "easily modifiable" as take it from me, re-fitting a full auto sear and spring is a bitch of a task 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jez Armstrong View Post
    That's why I relying on the words "easily modifiable" as take it from me, re-fitting a full auto sear and spring is a bitch of a task ��

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    Yeah hopefully more trouble for them then it's worth, plus after they going to store parts for these guns anyways..
    Let's just hope things will not be as bad as they may seem at the moment, and gbbr rifles will not be fecked and stop being sold etc..
    I really wanted to buy a scar h in a few weeks as well.. Oh well I'll just try and put the money aside, for next year, but need be I'll just buy a new 12g shotgun instead lol..
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    There's no reason why you can't buy one, I have many, I myself am not worried about what will happen, my rifles won't fire over 330 on black gas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jez Armstrong View Post
    There's no reason why you can't buy one, I have many, I myself am not worried about what will happen, my rifles won't fire over 330 on black gas

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    At the moment I can't see the point mate, when I spoke to my local about buying one in a week or so from them, they told me not too, he's exact words were, ''unless I have money to burn, do not buy one as the future for these gbbr are uncertain because of the change to the power limit that will come into play, do not buy one until we know what needs to be done to abided to the new laws as I could be wasting my money"

    Lol I won't go into it to much if you don't want me to make I totally understand, but I'm shocked that your gas blowback rifles don't fire above 330fps on black gas, most gbbr's out the box fire hotter then that on green gas with 0.20s, now if you put 0.12g bbs in your rifles would like d that push them past 370?

    All a bunch of can of warms at the moment, being on a tight budget it took me 7 months to save the cash for a gbbr scar h, I'm not going to risk buying one seeing it shoots over 350fps on green gas with 0.20, then finding out with black or co2 it or even just with 0.12g bbs fires above the 370fps, and simple mods that will lower the fps could very well be pointless..

    Id rather just forget about buying one until the new laws are set in stone and we all know exactly where we stand..

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    My bolts arebModified with discs to Stop them firing hot, I can't see anywhere where they will test them on a 0.12g bb

    Most rifles that now fire at 350fps including aegs will fire hot if you put 0.12g bb's in them

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    The thing is though mate, will the mods made by us abide by the new laws that they set, as they say it's not if your gun shots 370, it if your gun is capable of doing so.. It's the same with air rifle laws, it's not if your rifle fires over 12ft/lbs it's if it's capable or firing over 12ft/lbs..

    So will the mods we do to lower the power limit or lock the guns to semi auto only follow the new guidelines, no one knows as they have not yet told us the new guidelines that we will have to follow..

    Your right most rifles and even some pistols will fire hot if using 0.12g bbs and even co2, they dont say they will use 012g bbs but they also do not say they will not, it's the same as they don't say what pressure they will test hpa guns on, they could crank the pressure right up, because of the words '' your guns are capable of" this makes it very vague, on what they will do and what we will have to follow..
    Unfortunately until we all know for sure it's all hearsay and speculation on what's going to exactly going to happen, I just want them to hurry up and let us know what's going to happen. Not knowing to me is worse then knowing lol..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc.RG1 View Post
    But what would its fps be using black gas or even hpa, or with 0.12g bbs, one of the main issues is that no one yet knows how they will be testing the rifles..
    The thing that is winding me up if the fact there are yet again no clear rules or guidelines on how they are going to test the rifles. Because let's face it nearly all will shot over 370 fps with 0.12g and green or black gas..
    And like I say, we don't know if us locking the guns to semi by removing and filing parts down will still meet the new laws and guidelines, because new parts can be fitted and then the gun will be full auto again, it's not if your gun is shooting over the full auto and fps limit, it's if your gun is capable of doing so..
    Let's see what the end ofbthe year brings it's not going to be good I feel that much..
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    With respect, I do think you are over-thinking and certainly over - worrying the situation. If I wanted a Scar GBB I'd just go out and buy it and worry about the vagaries of the law (that isn't yet law) later on.

    It is an unfortunate truism that the authorities would ideally like to ban full auto GBB's, because it's a particular freedom they don't like - even in something that is essentially a toy. Even so, if it were me I'd be out buying that Scar tommorow and worry about what I've got to do to it later (if).

    Oh, I don't like HPA, am not a skirmisher and Neuprol 3 is essentially for temps lower than black gas... Yet, their all pretty kak in essence..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jez Armstrong View Post
    There's no reason why you can't buy one, I have many, I myself am not worried about what will happen, my rifles won't fire over 330 on black gas

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    Wot he said!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc.RG1 View Post
    It's the same with air rifle laws, it's not if your rifle fires over 12ft/lbs it's if it's capable or firing over 12ft/lbs..
    You could put an Ox mainspring in your old Airsporter (as a friend did) and find it shoots nearer 13ft/lbs. That was resolved by it going on his Section 1 certificate in that case, but essentially all air rifles are moddable, so if what you say is true, then the 1968 Act and associated amendments would preclude their use.

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    HI muzzleflash, yeah I understand and no offense taking mate, I very well could be over thinking and over worrying about what's to come, it's the whole not knowing thing that plays on my mind, so I think I would rather just see what happens, then when the new law comes out go from there, I'm sure I have enough guns to keep me going until then (well we will see lol)

    I'm the same, I don't like hpa either, for me it takes the realism out of it, I'm not a skirmisher either, I go to gun clubs, but I would still hate to have a tube and bottle attached to my guns or mags, lol I'm not even keen of AEGs because of a few reasons but also realism, don't get me wrong I know AEGs are great for what they do and for skirmishing etc, they could even be best, but they are gun not my cup of tea.. Lol same does for springer break barrel or underlever rifles either, they are good for what they are used for but not my thing..

    Realism is quite a big thing for me, as I shoot at gun club and shoot a lot of real steel guns, when I'm not shooting the RS and want to shoot the airguns or airsoft I do like them to be as realistic as possible, it's not all about realism for me there are many other factors too though..

    Yeah with airrifles it's if your gun is capable for firing over 12ft/lbs (unmodified) they test with ammo weight rather then changing Springs and regulators etc, which is good and straight forward

    What I think I'll do with the gbbr scar is just sit back and relax lol. And just forget about things for a little bit, I have plenty to keep me going until either the new law comes out and makes my mind up for me, I just just decide to bite the bullet, no wait bite the BB and go get a scar..
    Lol might treat some of my custom build hi-capas to a few new parts though, makes it easier for me to hold back if I spend some of the money a lol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc.RG1 View Post
    HI muzzleflash, yeah I understand and no offense taking mate, I very well could be over thinking and over worrying about what's to come, it's the whole not knowing thing that plays on my mind, so I think I would rather just see what happens, then when the new law comes out go from there, I'm sure I have enough guns to keep me going until then (well we will see lol)

    I'm the same, I don't like hpa either, for me it takes the realism out of it, I'm not a skirmisher either, I go to gun clubs, but I would still hate to have a tube and bottle attached to my guns or mags, lol I'm not even keen of AEGs because of a few reasons but also realism, don't get me wrong I know AEGs are great for what they do and for skirmishing etc, they could even be best, but they are gun not my cup of tea.. Lol same does for springer break barrel or underlever rifles either, they are good for what they are used for but not my thing..

    Realism is quite a big thing for me, as I shoot at gun club and shoot a lot of real steel guns, when I'm not shooting the RS and want to shoot the airguns or airsoft I do like them to be as realistic as possible, it's not all about realism for me there are many other factors too though..

    Yeah with airrifles it's if your gun is capable for firing over 12ft/lbs (unmodified) they test with ammo weight rather then changing Springs and regulators etc, which is good and straight forward

    What I think I'll do with the gbbr scar is just sit back and relax lol. And just forget about things for a little bit, I have plenty to keep me going until either the new law comes out and makes my mind up for me, I just just decide to bite the bullet, no wait bite the BB and go get a scar..
    Lol might treat some of my custom build hi-capas to a few new parts though, makes it easier for me to hold back if I spend some of the money a lol..

    All the best, Marc
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    Using 0.12g BBs to get the FPS over 370 is irrelevant as the law states 1.3 Joules not 370 FPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfHappyCat View Post
    You won't necessarily be under the limit with a 1J nozzle any. Players in the GHK group on FB have had mixes FPS/Joule readings based on their set ups
    yea iv seen the mixed outputs people have had , idd guess it might be down to barrel lengths , i.e CQB vs full length will be different , but then also someone said it took like 1000 shots for it to be 1j ?, dont know for sure but it would lower the fps , could possibly also change to a wider bore barrel to aid that , IDK but as mentioned best to wait until we all know for sure , hopefully there will be some leniency towards this..

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    Still no concrete answer on all this then, UKAPU stated it was withdrawn end of 2016 / early 2017?
    Or is this all just surmise from law aimed at actual firearms?

    Alot of the websites i look around are apparently 'unsafe' or blocked regarding the issue, coincidence?

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    Withdrawn? The bill is now an act of parliament.

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    Fail

    Better make myself a semi only selector plate then im safe upto 2.5j

    (4) The permitted kinetic energy level is—
    (a) in the case of a weapon which is capable of discharging two or more missiles successively with out repeated pressure on the trigger, 1.3 joules;
    (b) in any other case, 2.5 joules.”

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    No you're not, because if it was manufactured as a full auto rifle it can only be used as a full auto rifle

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    The act as published has dropped references to manufacture or design.

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    So a converted M4 DMR will be ok now?

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    I believe so

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    Good to know, got a link to provide such details please?

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    Good to know, got a link to provide such details please?

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    I would like to see that link to but I will likely not exist, as no one yet knows the full guidelines according to UKAPU, all we know for sure is the power limits, we don't know if locking the guns to semi will be OK, if it is how we lock them to semi or lower the power will follow the guidelines. We all have to play the waiting game for a few months..
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    "(4)The permitted kinetic energy level is—
    (a)in the case of a weapon which is capable of discharging two or more missiles successively without repeated pressure on the trigger, 1.3 joules;
    (b)in any other case, 2.5 joules.”

    Note the word "capable".

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    And then the semi auto cut off lever wears away and you have a full auto again

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    I give up!

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    But you can't deny that wont ever happen because it does

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinjallen View Post
    "(4)The permitted kinetic energy level is—
    (a)in the case of a weapon which is capable of discharging two or more missiles successively without repeated pressure on the trigger, 1.3 joules;
    (b)in any other case, 2.5 joules.”

    Note the word "capable".
    But how do you interpret capable, or more importantly how do they interpret 'capable' a gun that's fires full auto right now, or a gun that was made to fire full auto from the factory but has been modified to shot semi only now, but with a few parts replaced or added can fire full auto again,
    Don't get me wrong, I am not saying your incorrect I'm just saying you like all of us at the moment are guessing what the guidelines will be..

    I hear that fitting npas kit to lower fps on a full auto gun, is not good enough, although it lowers the fps to below 370fps full auto, it can easily be increased again..

    Same could well be said for, OK get a full auto rifle, take out the full auto sear and file down the selector, stopping the gun from being full auto so it would then not matter if it fires above 370fps, but all you need to do is replace the sear and spring and selector switch and you then have a full auto over powered gun again.

    Once again I HOPE they will not look at it this way, and if it comes to it and the gun gets tested they will go by, OK the gun right now is not firing full auto so is a pass. This is what I am hoping and what I would do if I buy a gbbr after the new law and guidance comes into play..

    But there's no point in us guessing in what's going to happen, we have to just wait a few months and see what is going to happen and see the guidelines we have to follow.

    This is what I'm going to do, then buy a gbbr and do what needs to be done.
    Even the gun shop that I was going to buy the rifle from told me to do that and said don't buy nothing yet, which was nice of them as most other airport shops are not even informing people and are still potentially selling then over powered rifles.

    Follow the UKAPU Facebook page or website, at the end of the day they are talking to the powers that be, so when they know we will know..

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    I do not interpret it in any way at all, neither do I need to get into a pedantic argument about cutoff levers.

    I was pointing out that the act no longer mentions design or construction with regard to fire mode and power.

    Anyway, I am out of here.

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    I wasn't trying to start an argument so you've obviously read too far into that comment for a start

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