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    Quote Originally Posted by Nun-Chuck View Post
    Also, the 'no camo' thing came from a condition of working with the DoD in Iraq briefly... guys on other contracts wore camo all the time, there was a bunch of pics of a British/european outfit that favoured desert tigerstripe and tropentarn for a while.
    Also WELL publicised pics of US Paradigm PMC wearing Multicam.

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    under the CONDO regulations it's frowned on for contractors to wear camo. Very few contractors wear camo as they look like they are military when most of them are x military and don't want to look like military, if that makes sense.

    weapons nowadays are usually dependent on the nationality. i.e. American's usually go for an m4 of some sort whereas the eastern european boys usually rock an AK.
    If I was to describe a typical PMC it would be as follows:

    Beard
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    polo shirt
    5.11 trousers in all colours
    good boots usually breathable.
    glock pistol and holster with 2 extra mags on a drop down holster
    if they are vehicle borne they usually wear a shemag green/tan or colourful from the local markets

    nowadays I'm seeing a lot of guys rock a battle belt. usually a couple of pistol mags, a few fastmag for their m4 and a medics pouch. Belts are 90% multicam
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    these are a couple of snaps of me playing at my local site MCG, very simple load out consisting of:

    black polo shirt
    Craghopers
    Black molle plate carrier
    and an M4 just needs a couple of bits adding onto it but once their on im done

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    under the CONDO regulations it's frowned on for contractors to wear camo. Very few contractors wear camo as they look like they are military when most of them are x military and don't want to look like military, if that makes sense.

    weapons nowadays are usually dependent on the nationality. i.e. American's usually go for an m4 of some sort whereas the eastern european boys usually rock an AK.
    If I was to describe a typical PMC it would be as follows:

    Beard
    baseball cap
    polo shirt
    5.11 trousers in all colours
    good boots usually breathable.
    glock pistol and holster with 2 extra mags on a drop down holster
    if they are vehicle borne they usually wear a shemag green/tan or colourful from the local markets

    nowadays I'm seeing a lot of guys rock a battle belt. usually a couple of pistol mags, a few fastmag for their m4 and a medics pouch. Belts are 90% multicam
    Technically speaking the nationality of the company normally dictates the weapons used as apposed to individual operators. Of course budget plays a massive part in that too!

    None of my colleagues where a shemagh these days inside vehicles. Most are airconned anyway and have call sign indicators on or are blatantly PMC's.

    I notice you said you see a lot of guys rocking the battle belt. Are you working out in the pit?

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    Mike, agree with you there. The weapon depends on the contract. Usually cheap and cheerful, therefore AK or such variants. I doubt glocks though, again as a cost measure, they are very expensive. Most look at something like a CZ.
    As for camo, it isn't "frowned on" it will be part of the contract agreement that the contractor has, usually with DoD that forbids camo and allows only single colour BDU's or equivalent eg 5.11.
    A lot of the company's will insist on a corporate image as well, so they will want a uniformity of some sort. So where the rig you are comfortable with for example but you will wear their polo shirt and trousers. All about a professional image.
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    I am 100% sure Jebus knows what he is talking about. I wouldn't brush his info aside

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbadon101 View Post
    I am 100% sure Jebus knows what he is talking about. I wouldn't brush his info aside
    I'm pretty sure I do to! But then my info is now a few years old!
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    part of the problem with saying that the weapons are generic to a company isn't really true. The larger companies i.e. AEGIS, HART, etc will have a uniform, weapon package and other kit that they expect there guys to wear but the large companies actually only cover a small part of the overall PMC contracts and win and lose contracts on a yearly basis. By far the biggest percentage goes to the smaller companies who can do it cheaper. Part of the reason they do it cheaper is because they don't supply the weapon packages etc until they are established so you end up with small companies buying local purchase weapons and kit. If they get the contract again you usually find they start to look more professional (uniform/weapon/kit).

    Another reason most of the companies look the same i.e. 5.11 trousers, TT plate carriers, Truespec or condor baseball caps, etc is because they only kit available in Afghan comes from the American or German PX's. They can order online or buy whilst at home but it's just easier to buy what is available and easily resupplied.

    I probably see 40 or 50 vehicle moves a day and trust me that 95% of them wear shemaghs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbadon101 View Post
    I am 100% sure Jebus knows what he is talking about. I wouldn't brush his info aside
    No one was brushing is info aside?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightyjebus View Post
    part of the problem with saying that the weapons are generic to a company isn't really true. The larger companies i.e. AEGIS, HART, etc will have a uniform, weapon package and other kit that they expect there guys to wear but the large companies actually only cover a small part of the overall PMC contracts and win and lose contracts on a yearly basis. By far the biggest percentage goes to the smaller companies who can do it cheaper. Part of the reason they do it cheaper is because they don't supply the weapon packages etc until they are established so you end up with small companies buying local purchase weapons and kit. If they get the contract again you usually find they start to look more professional (uniform/weapon/kit).

    Another reason most of the companies look the same i.e. 5.11 trousers, TT plate carriers, Truespec or condor baseball caps, etc is because they only kit available in Afghan comes from the American or German PX's. They can order online or buy whilst at home but it's just easier to buy what is available and easily resupplied.

    I probably see 40 or 50 vehicle moves a day and trust me that 95% of them wear shemaghs.
    I'm surprised by that. I've never worn a shemagh inside a civvie vehicle and can't think of anything worse. Unless running a covert op of course, mind you, it's been a few years since I've been out there. Are you a security contractor out there or other?

    I think Aegis, CRG, G4S have quite a strict dress code now of only issued kit?!

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    I've spent the last 10 years in Iraq and Afghan teaching the locals to conga which is about as much as I will say about what I get up to

    You are right about the larger companies having a dress code. Aegis look terrible in their tan flight suits. To put the weapon supply in perspective my mate worked for a small CP company in Iraq. He went down to Um Qsar port and from the local market/gun shop he picked different parts of the AK family and got the weapon made to his spec by the guys running the market (for info Rus AKM body, ROM coat hanger stock, Hungarian barrel and furniture). All the guys on his team had the same experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightyjebus View Post
    I've spent the last 10 years in Iraq and Afghan teaching the locals to conga which is about as much as I will say about what I get up to

    You are right about the larger companies having a dress code. Aegis look terrible in their tan flight suits. To put the weapon supply in perspective my mate worked for a small CP company in Iraq. He went down to Um Qsar port and from the local market/gun shop he picked different parts of the AK family and got the weapon made to his spec by the guys running the market (for info Rus AKM body, ROM coat hanger stock, Hungarian barrel and furniture). All the guys on his team had the same experience.
    Ah, so you're the guy that's been teaching all those LEC'ies how to dance!!

    I agree on the old jumpsuit's as well. Personally I don't get why they use them. From a professional point of view they can make even the fittest leanest warrior look like a fat sack of sh!t. Even hot women suddenly turn into cow 4rsed average joes!! And they don't have any real benefit over tac trousers and shirt!

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    Jebus? The conga, come on, everyone knows the Macarena is more effective!
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    Glock 17 is actually a really good bet if you are basing it on Iraq as the US lost 88,000 (approx) Glock 17s in Iraq (plus many more in Afghan) due to the fact they were giving them to the new iraqi forces who were selling them on. many of them actually ended up in the hands of Sunni extremists from the local markets as the US didn't think it prudent to record serial numbers etc and Iraqi soldiers were getting around $800 USD for each of their Glocks they "lost"

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    include the 2 or 3000 Mp5's that went walkabouts as well. Black market AK's started out at $60 in 2003/4 and climbed to 600-900 by 2009.

    Makarov pistols started out at around $200 but rose rapidly to well over a grand. Some going for as high as $1250

    An AK mag with 30 rounds started at $6 but crept up to the $60 mark by the time the British left. In Afghan right now the prices are similar but status weapons (Soviet AK74SUfor instance) can be a couple of thousand dollars. They is enough of a Market for status weapons that the Kyber pass gun shops knock out a Soviet copy of the AK74SU.

    And to keep on topic for the true PMC look you need an armoured land cruiser
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    Anybody know what type of comms setup PMC's use? Radio etc.

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    This is my "hopefully getting back into aristoft loadout, and while I wasn't really going for the PMC look, it fits best with whats been discussed here i.e Mostly block colours, basic set-up

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostWolf View Post
    Anybody know what type of comms setup PMC's use? Radio etc.
    Anything that works! I've seen PMC's using everything from just mobile phones for comms (rare but it happens) to cheap Wouxun's right through to top of the range Kenwood/Motorola's set up's or even military grade comm nets. All depends on the companies budget and what country they're working in.

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    Another popular item of clothing worn by Private Security Contractors, especially Blackwater, is the 5.11 Beige Tactical Pro Vest, endless amounts of pockets from pistol and M4 mags to radios. Designed to be worn over vest or can be worn alone on lightweight security details. If anybody out there is after one, I've a brand new with tags, size large
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    I love it when somebody necros a thread with some information that's probably already in the thread to try and sell something.

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    Like to think my setup is kinda PMC, I never play in camo



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    Hi guys, if you're after the ideal PMC loadout then 5.11 gear is usually the best place to start. I used to be into BLACKWATER (yes they've had bad press, but they were excellent at their job and always kept their VIP alive) and modelled myself on their kit. I was sent an original, brand new, still has tags, TACTICAL PRO VEST, a beige waistcoat with endless amounts of pockets, including mags, radios and anything else you need. If you can get hold of them in this country, as they're very difficult to come by, especially new, they usually retail at around 80, I'm selling this one 40 all in, it's a bargain, never been worn. Also have a 5.11 Tactical Shirt, good condition, Black, rrp 50, I'm asking 20 all in (pm me for photos of shirt). Both size LARGE. Thanks, Lee

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    I think you're looking for the Classifieds, there's a Gear & Kit section for that...
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    My rig
    with a few different guns :P
    trouser wise i go for mtp or atacs-au cant find a set of cb ones i like.

    i like the ones i saw further up the thread with the 2 guys sitting on a rock, anyone know what they are?

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    Dirt Driver, you've been told.

    If you want to sell, make a thread, stop cluttering this thread up with stuff you're trying to sell.

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    5.11 Tactical waist coat (when you can get them) ??? WTF try Google gives you a whole list of stockists here in the UK with retail prices for a new one from 55-70. Hard to find my arse!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad.matt View Post
    Dirt Driver, you've been told.

    If you want to sell, make a thread, stop cluttering this thread up with shit you're trying to sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt diver View Post
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    Wow, we really needed that post from sogcch to wake this thread up.

    Pictures of dead bodies hanging from bridges definitely gives me inspiration for a new PMC loadout.

    GET OFF THIS THREAD!

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    Good post sogccn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey787 View Post
    My rig
    with a few different guns :P
    trouser wise i go for mtp or atacs-au cant find a set of cb ones i like.

    i like the ones i saw further up the thread with the 2 guys sitting on a rock, anyone know what they are?

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    are PMC supposed to wear issued camo?
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    Was going to say, that doesn't shout PMC at me at all... The complete opposite in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparrowhawk View Post
    are PMC supposed to wear issued camo?
    I don't think they're allowed to wear camo.

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    Yea tbf I agree guys, although there are ref pics of them sporting issued/used camo I don't overly think it fits the bill however we went with the MC bottoms due to it being the only colour we all had (it was either that or Aor1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mango View Post
    I don't think they're allowed to wear camo.
    yeah it was a rhetorical question
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparrowhawk View Post
    yeah it was a rhetorical question
    I realised... prehaps I should have worded my comment as a question. (which is what I was thinking when writing it)

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    my version of a pmc loadout done on fly other day for pmc versus militia based rednecks

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    Hi guys, bit of a long shot with this thread but I sold all my kit last year, long story, anyway keen to get back on the bandwagon and I thought go for a cheapish loadout, so no milsim for me this time. With that in mind I was considering PMC/ Merc look so plate carrier, shirt, shemagh and baseball cap/boonie. However I was considering getting some MTP trousers or multicam but I've seen thats frowned upon. Is there any precedent for part camo or just the basic tan trousers etc.

    I think I'm leaning more towards the merc style build rather than full on PMC but this was the closest thread I could find, apologies if there is a merc thread. I dont really like the idea of one solid colour just feels odd to me, anyway onto weapons again seen a few suggestions but I'm guessing an M4 with optics etc would be spot on, saying that I've seen a lovely scar h for sale on here...anyway tips and thoughts?...
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    PMC's tend not to use camo as it's usually affiliated to a particular (country or countries)

    However, as a merc, you could probably have more flexibility, and multicam is commercially available, so...

    Same goes for weapons. M4s tend to be more prevalent with PMCs due to the highly likelihood the person using it is very familiar with the M4 platform.
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    I have been slowly working on something akin to a pmc impression.
    Currently it's
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    Oakley od green gloves.
    Warrior plate carrier, multiple mag pouches, medic pouch, hydration pack, radio pouch and grenade pouches.
    Rigger belt with pistol holster.
    Revision goggles as I'm not a fan of glasses
    Generic throat mic with single ear piece.
    Green shemagh

    M4 platform with a glock 17 for a side arm.

    In all honesty I'm not sure how 'pmc' it is.
    I plan on replacing the g&g predator with a krytac in the next few months. But that's more for reliability than look. Also plan on replacing the glock with something like a sig p226.
    Eye pro wise. I would love to find something than offers the protection of goggles in glasses form. But have yet to find some

    A couple of pics from a recent game. Since the pics a green shemagh has been added, multicam gloves swapped for od green ones and a security style throat mic with single ear piece added to my comms.
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    Suppose my Smooth Operator kit picture best fits here ....

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