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    Right, I'm sure many of you have had to defend a VIP at some point during a skirmish or secure and hold an objective.

    Whether it's a briefcase you're allowed / not allowed to move or a high value target you have to drag from one end of the sight to another, we want to hear your tactics.

    One example is of the 'Diamond Formation', this is adopted by many special forced and close protection / bodyguard details (me - in CP training so have done this recently) and unfortunately, in Ghost Recon future soldier... (good reference - check it out on YouTube, they don't do a bad job!)

    The diamond formation can consist of up to eight people and in my experience, the following occurred.
    We had gained an HVT to move to the ERV, where a landy would come and extract the VIP. Now, we had a diversionary task force consisting of snipers, support roles and your regulars. They were supposed to cause as much of a ruckuss as possible and take some heat off of us.

    In transit, the diamond formation has one on 'point' at th head of the diamond, one at 9 o'clock (on the left) one at the rear or 'tail end Charlie' and one on the right. The VIP would be secured by the left or right detail, keeping the target within the diamond at all times.
    We made our way through the area with minimal resistance, thanks to our plentiful snipers in the adjacent foliage moving up with us providing overwatch.

    Keeping the VIP in the centre allows for an 'all round defense' which effectively covers every conceivable arc of fire when advancing through or past an enemy position.

    So there we have it. Long winded but a detailed instruction of how to effectively secure and transport an objective.

    Gonna have to implement it at the NAE this year, as our leader was assassinated way too many times in the last two years.... Haha
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    Nice one mate, good little guide .

    Not sure how it would work in airsoft though...engagement distances are so much less than in real life that if we were to stand in a diamond formation around the team leader that we'd probably get picked off pretty quick :P
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    Managed to pick off the VIP from approx 150 feet in one game when he was surrounded by his "detail". Only problem was they just scattered and hunted us down before we could get them all
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    i just hit the person on the head and drag them across the ground...
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    haha nice one woody.
    would result in a rather pissed off VIP when they come round, but has been known to be done on 'special' occasions.

    and crasstoe, yep... its people like you which makes me shit myself :D
    but yeah, the formation can be filled or 'doubled up' so that any incoming fire takes away 'layers' of protection so to speak, so there could be a diamond within a diamond making it harder to hit the VIP through both sustained fire and and accurate marksmanship.

    just an example haha

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    If I'm being honest crasstoe... Your loadout mate... Phwoar! Haha
    Very very nice.
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    Thank you, you can make it yourself if you like; http://forums.zeroin.co.uk/showthrea...to-the-English)

    Another example of Close Protection, although I wouldn't want to be the VIP;
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    Haha yes! In open ground, we're expected to 'create' cover for the VIP.
    If it all goes tits up then that is the best that can be done (pic above)

    As for the loadout... I very well may be. For my spotters role cheers man
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    Reaver are you doing cp privately or are you RMP/RAFP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crasstoe View Post
    Thank you, you can make it yourself if you like; http://forums.zeroin.co.uk/showthrea...to-the-English)

    Another example of Close Protection, although I wouldn't want to be the VIP;
    not sure whose hand is going where?

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    One could be casual (sig) and the other on duty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdrop View Post
    Reaver are you doing cp privately or are you RMP/RAFP?
    D'oh, just looked at your profile! That gives the answer, but has you down as a student?
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    whats with all the acronyms...it sounds like a private boys club, you do realise that not everyone on this forum has served in the military.....
    VIP: very important person (we all know this one)
    ERV:Emergency Rendezvous
    CP: close protection
    HVT: high value target
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    RMP: royal military police
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    and truly it's private club,mate, and that's only beggining of ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdrop View Post
    D'oh, just looked at your profile! That gives the answer, but has you down as a student?
    Yeah mate, as your name suggests, I wanna go into the RAFMP (become a snowdrop myself) and have taken it upon myself to gain further SIA qualifications.

    Haha forgot to get rid of that a while ago.
    Thanks for pointing that one out

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    SIA - exact meaning - Seriously Impacted Assholes (company not people with badges)

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    Anywayyyy

    Back to tactics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaver View Post
    Yeah mate, as your name suggests, I wanna go into the RAFMP (become a snowdrop myself) and have taken it upon myself to gain further SIA qualifications.

    Haha forgot to get rid of that a while ago.
    Thanks for pointing that one out

    And yes sparrowhawk.... Thanks... :L
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdrop View Post
    Let me know if you want info on joining, the cp element etc
    As in the tactical provost wing? (no.2 sqn) hell yes.
    But I need to wait until march for the recruiting to open.
    Shall we continue further details by PM?
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    how would you protect a VIP in a built up environment...ie moving from an entry point,through a building with several rooms and corridors which can all be flanked, to an extraction point?
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    oooh.
    niiice one...

    how many lads do i have to play with?
    (dont take that weirdly)
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    lets say eight....or maybe more, ok ten, nice round number
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    Sweet.

    Righto. Straight away, we'd (personal set up here) have 3 around the VIP at all times (one on point and the rest covering the side arcs.) a fourth member will be tabbing back and forth between the VIP and covering the rear (seeing as we are movin through buildings in a hostile environment, enemy's could follow the team in.
    That would be the four responsible for direct contacts to the VIP. next we'd have a secondary detachment of another four... One would be tail end Charlie permanently (joined by the fourth VIP detail now and again to reinforce)
    The other three will move through, breach and clear rooms as per usual. They will fall back to a closer position to the VIP once outdoors. The remaining two I've left out may be a specialist unit such as a sniper pair, who, once outdoors will provide overwatch and recce the road ahead and neutralise any threat if possible without major engagement.

    That was all done without planning... LOVE CP WORK!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaver View Post
    Sweet.

    Righto. Straight away, we'd (personal set up here) have 3 around the VIP at all times (one on point and the rest covering the side arcs.) a fourth member will be tabbing back and forth between the VIP and covering the rear (seeing as we are movin through buildings in a hostile environment, enemy's could follow the team in.
    That would be the four responsible for direct contacts to the VIP. next we'd have a secondary detachment of another four... One would be tail end Charlie permanently (joined by the fourth VIP detail now and again to reinforce)
    The other three will move through, breach and clear rooms as per usual. They will fall back to a closer position to the VIP once outdoors. The remaining two I've left out may be a specialist unit such as a sniper pair, who, once outdoors will provide overwatch and recce the road ahead and neutralise any threat if possible without major engagement.

    That was all done without planning... LOVE CP WORK!!!
    Then sit around for the next 8 hours whilst the principal does his work, has meetings etc, then repeat!!!
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    Crumbs!

    Wouldn't consider it. Primary would be left with 3 in a safe zone or not even present, the team would have the building clear and safe before the cash cow even finished his toast and daily sport.
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    when I have done it on site we had a small team on distraction duty going through making noise doing vip protection badly shouting out the "vip" location etc to split the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaver View Post
    haha nice one woody.
    would result in a rather pissed off VIP when they come round, but has been known to be done on 'special' occasions.

    and crasstoe, yep... its people like you which makes me shit myself :D
    but yeah, the formation can be filled or 'doubled up' so that any incoming fire takes away 'layers' of protection so to speak, so there could be a diamond within a diamond making it harder to hit the VIP through both sustained fire and and accurate marksmanship.

    just an example haha

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    Haha very true.
    R.I.P mac.

    Last time I was at first and only's the mall, we had to move a VIP (John conner - for those of you who know the mall ) through a long (unlit) corridor and we knew there were enemys engaging friendlies up ahead, but also some blue on blue too. We couldn't push back because we had just bugged out across the malls Main floor and lost two men and didn't want to risk the VIP so we pushed forward and cleared rooms as we went. Looking back, we were using the chevron or diamond formation. It worked a dream, allowing the man on point to drop to his buckle and lay down fire while the two on the left and right flanks (and the respective VIP) threw themselves into a doorway. Obviously such a formation in such a tight space isnt the best of ideas, but point had a maruzen GBB shotgun and tail end Charlie was there with his ak, and such a noise was enough to put anyone's heads down.
    Haha a tried and tested method. Highly recommend it... But in larger spaces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Templar View Post
    Crumbs!

    Wouldn't consider it. Primary would be left with 3 in a safe zone or not even present, the team would have the building clear and safe before the cash cow even finished his toast and daily sport.
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    That'll all be done if your exfill isn't hot.
    I.e. The prefferable scenario.

    But yeah, plain and simple is the way forward and your idea is the one actually used the most by CP teams
    Like it.
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    Bit of a dead topic, but oh well :P

    It would be really interesting to see an airsoft CP team, Ive done my CP and HE training about a year ago, though having no actual military experience my chances of gaining any actual CP work are next to zero, hence why Ive not wasted money on the extortionate SIA fees and applied for a CP badge, I stick with my DS badge for now and if any prospective employers ask Ive "recieved certificates, waiting for the SIA", which has landed me a few CP'ish jobs, but nothing like what the proper CP guys are doing. Im considering joining the TA just to get a bit of military experience on my CV and go in for some proper CP work, because boring everyday 9-5 security work on peanuts pay is slowly killing me.

    Ive tried putting a bit of my CP training into action when airsofting, but to be honest unless youre with a bunch of other guys who know what theyre doing, it quickly either turns into a clusterfuck, or just makes you look like a walt :D

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    Tiercel, if you want to do that you will need to join either an RMP TA unit or RA Aux F RAFP group - 3 Tactical Police Sqd based at Henlow. Then you have to do police trg, then apply, then if you past the pre select, go to longmoor
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    Just had a look at those roles, unfortunately there are no RMP TA groups anywhere near me, and Im on the other side of the country from Henlow! Gutted!

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    Just seen this, great little guide.

    For extra back up its also how I was taught to cover a small team picking up equipment or other loads, doubled up usually as we'd usually have a bigger patrol. That was well over 15 years ago so its been around the standard mil training for a while lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crasstoe View Post
    Thank you, you can make it yourself if you like; http://forums.zeroin.co.uk/showthrea...to-the-English)

    Another example of Close Protection, although I wouldn't want to be the VIP;
    This is my favourite cover haha although you tend to get abit of a pissed of principle. I don't understand why they get so aggy, were here doing a job to protect them at all costs. It's like look, I'm here being paid 'X' amount to take a hit for you but yet you get fucked off if I have to lay on your in the back of your car! Lol, principles really piss me off at times lol

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    Haha it's true, they see the CP's as a hinderance... Well, I'll show you how much of a hinderance a simple 9mm can be if you don't pick your feet up!

    Very true though, CP work is just full of so many variables and problems that until you're hands on, the principle isn't seen as one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crasstoe View Post
    Thank you, you can make it yourself if you like; http://forums.zeroin.co.uk/showthrea...to-the-English)

    Another example of Close Protection, although I wouldn't want to be the VIP;
    Have yet to introduce myself (will do after this post) but saw this and thought it was interesting as I work in CP and am ex mil, and am just getting into airsoft. Personally I wouldn't advise doing this with a client as you are just a sitting duck. Movement is the key!

    As for the diamond formation, I would also say that although this is a good formation, it's not the best for the task described. You already know you're going into a hostile area (as it's an airsoft game and everyone wants to shoot you) so having the client so close to the front-line, so to speak would be a quick way to have your team mowed down from a quick burst, especially as the diamond formation in it's very nature is quite a tight one, unless you have one massive team. A loose arrow head with your client way at the rear with his own protection would be my ideal formation. Keeping him as far away from the bullets as possible.

    The idea of having multiple layers of protection to take the rounds is also not the best. Your main concern should be self preservation to enable protection of the client. It's all well and good taking a bullet for him but you're no good to him afterwards. Far better to not have your self in that situation in the first place. Just my humble opinion and as some of you may or may not know, Close Protection is a very fluid thing and is constantly adapting to the environment! Well it should be anyway!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiercel View Post
    Just had a look at those roles, unfortunately there are no RMP TA groups anywhere near me, and Im on the other side of the country from Henlow! Gutted!
    Then move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaver View Post
    Haha it's true, they see the CP's as a hinderance... Well, I'll show you how much of a hinderance a simple 9mm can be if you don't pick your feet up!

    Very true though, CP work is just full of so many variables and problems that until you're hands on, the principle isn't seen as one...
    Haha iv noticed a 9mm can be a 'slight' obstacle lol. But they never see it like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikep81 View Post
    Have yet to introduce myself (will do after this post) but saw this and thought it was interesting as I work in CP and am ex mil, and am just getting into airsoft. Personally I wouldn't advise doing this with a client as you are just a sitting duck. Movement is the key!

    As for the diamond formation, I would also say that although this is a good formation, it's not the best for the task described. You already know you're going into a hostile area (as it's an airsoft game and everyone wants to shoot you) so having the client so close to the front-line, so to speak would be a quick way to have your team mowed down from a quick burst, especially as the diamond formation in it's very nature is quite a tight one, unless you have one massive team. A loose arrow head with your client way at the rear with his own protection would be my ideal formation. Keeping him as far away from the bullets as possible.

    The idea of having multiple layers of protection to take the rounds is also not the best. Your main concern should be self preservation to enable protection of the client. It's all well and good taking a bullet for him but you're no good to him afterwards. Far better to not have your self in that situation in the first place. Just my humble opinion and as some of you may or may not know, Close Protection is a very fluid thing and is constantly adapting to the environment! Well it should be anyway!!

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    Mike I couldn't agree more. Movement is key, staying in one position for to long your a sitting duck. In a diamond formation as much as this tactic can apply in many situations, with the principle as you said ' so close to the front line' maybe not the best. Your a bigger object and surely enough, the principle isn't going to care if you've just taken a hit for him, Airsoft or not lol all he cares about is his own life. The greater the surface area, the bigger the target, easier it is to hit (diamond formation) ImageUploadedByTapatalk1361563226.286136.jpg

    Move quick and move fast. Avoid open areas and if you can stay close to a fixed object I.e. building/wall.
    Small groups are better, Easier to move and communicate. With a double layer diamond formation, like I said, bigger target I'd take a small hand Grenade or simply full auto.

    The T formation can also be useful, in building (cqb) areas. Or a smaller variation. Two man point, one on six6 with principle in middle. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1361563603.062994.jpg
    But saying that the T formation has just as many flaws, room entry stick too pie cutting and quick peeks. Two man team for that while your 3rd secures the principle.
    That's pretty much all iv got to say before I bore you all to sleep, god iv gotta stop waffling lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Crawford View Post
    Mike I couldn't agree more. Movement is key, staying in one position for to long your a sitting duck. In a diamond formation as much as this tactic can apply in many situations, with the principle as you said ' so close to the front line' maybe not the best. Your a bigger object and surely enough, the principle isn't going to care if you've just taken a hit for him, Airsoft or not lol all he cares about is his own life. The greater the surface area, the bigger the target, easier it is to hit (diamond formation) ImageUploadedByTapatalk1361563226.286136.jpg

    Move quick and move fast. Avoid open areas and if you can stay close to a fixed object I.e. building/wall.
    Small groups are better, Easier to move and communicate. With a double layer diamond formation, like I said, bigger target I'd take a small hand Grenade or simply full auto.

    The T formation can also be useful, in building (cqb) areas. Or a smaller variation. Two man point, one on six6 with principle in middle. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1361563603.062994.jpg
    But saying that the T formation has just as many flaws, room entry stick too pie cutting and quick peeks. Two man team for that while your 3rd secures the principle.
    That's pretty much all iv got to say before I bore you all to sleep, god iv gotta stop waffling lol
    I agree. T formation is good for an "indoor" situation however there is often a major problem that is often overlooked among its other flaws as you say. Once you come to a corridor it's a potential death trap for the client. With no where to go left or right you need to hope that your front guys either drop anyone coming into that corridor, or are big enough to stop a hail of brass from penetrating through them and everyone else behind. Stopping short and allowing one or two guys to clear the entire corridor is often the best way while the client and remainder of the team stay firm.

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    Nice little write up, not had to "protect" anyone in a game but look forwards it now!

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    Yeah mike I like that idea actually. Could be very useful. 2 man team to take point in front of a 3 man T formation behind the to leads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Crawford View Post
    Yeah mike I like that idea actually. Could be very useful. 2 man team to take point in front of a 3 man T formation behind the to leads.
    If I explained that right also send me an add across fella
    Yep, spot on. Of course this all depends on the scenario that you're dealing with. If you're on the run then you'll need to way up the options as waiting around for two guys to clear ahead while enemy forces catch up to the client might just ruin your day!

    What do you mean by send an add across?

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    Default Re: Close protection detail - your experiences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reaver View Post
    As in the tactical provost wing? (no.2 sqn) hell yes.
    But I need to wait until march for the recruiting to open.
    Shall we continue further details by PM?
    @Reaver Did you join up in the end??

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    Default Re: Close protection detail - your experiences?

    I did mate but not the aforementioned reg
    Sandy -- Rogue Recon

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